159. Empowering Women Through Travel and Fashion with Frances Helena

Empowering women through travel and fashion isn’t just a mission—it’s a movement. In this episode, I sit down with Frances Helena, a solo traveler, designer, and survivor who has turned her lived experience into purpose. Through her upcycled fashion line and the Beautifully Diverse Fashion Movement, Frances is using creativity and advocacy to open doors for women around the world—especially those navigating life after trauma.

In this episode of The Traveling Therapist Podcast, Frances shares how her journey of empowering women through travel and fashion began with her own healing after abuse. She opens up about traveling solo while living with hearing loss, designing inclusive fashion with impact, and how she’s creating space for every woman to feel seen, valued, and celebrated.

In This Episode, We Explore…

• How Frances turned personal healing into a global mission
• The realities of solo travel while navigating hearing loss
• How upcycled fashion and sustainability play a role in advocacy
• The vision behind her Beautifully Diverse Fashion Movement
• Encouragement for women who want to travel or express themselves creatively after hardship

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https://www.instagram.com/fh.travel.diaries/
Facebook: https://www.facebook.com/thefranceshelena

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SPEAKER_00 0:02

I'm Kim Tolson and I'm the traveling therapist. It's my passion to teach therapists how to navigate online private practices and multiple income streams so they can travel the world. I'm a digital nomad with a virtual insurance-based private therapy practice and a multi-six-figure coaching business. In this podcast, I will discuss my journey as a digital nomad, I'll chat with other traveling therapists, and help you navigate the complexities of running an online insurance-based practice. I'm so glad to have you with me on this journey. When you become a member at ALMA, you'll get credentialed with major insurance payers in less than 45 days, access to enhanced reimbursement rates, and you can take advantage of HIPAA compliant EHR tools like intake forms, progress notes, and treatment planners. Visit helloalma.com slash Kim to learn more. That's helloalma.com slash KYM to get started. Hi everybody, welcome to another episode of the Traveling Therapist Podcast. Excited to have our guest today, Frances Helena. She is somebody that's been traveling since I think she said eight. We'll get into that, and lived in over 10 countries and has a wealth of experience and knowledge, has had some really good traveling experiences and also some not so great traveling experiences. She also runs an online business. Occasionally we get somebody on this podcast that's not a therapist, but just has a really interesting story. So I'm grateful, Francis, that you decided to come on today and just share with us and tell us about your life and your experiences and all of that. So welcome to the podcast. And I'd love if you would just tell us a little bit about yourself and let's just kind of dive into everything you've been through. So I'd love for you to introduce yourself.

SPEAKER_01 2:00

Thanks, Miss Kim. I'm Francis Cohenna. I'm originally from Australia, which is up in North Queensland, Townsville, which is in the country, but I'm residing in Brisbane at the moment. But yeah, no, I've been traveling since I was a baby, really, pretty much at three months old. I'm 35 now. So traveling has changed in the last 30 years. You know, anyone who's traveled that long will know how long it's changed in so many different ways. My channel was a one. I'd already been around the world, like, you know, that sort of thing. So my dad was a project manager for the Twin Towers in Malaysia and Kuala Lumpur. So that was once the tallest building in 1997. So we spent a great deal of time living in Asia for about 12 years. So I've lived in Hong Kong, Malaysia, Singapore, China, the Philippines. So up until I was about 12, I had lived with uh family and we've moved to different countries. So we lived in Mexico as well. But yeah, New Zealand, the States, and the UK. I've lived there by myself for a little bit. And the last year was living in the UK. And then I've moved back. But I'm moving back again to back to the UK. So yeah, we've just keep moving around. And then I've studied at the student exchange in Germany, did it in Laos, did a archaeology project up in Laos. So yeah, just a lot of traveling and it's sort of just been in me.

SPEAKER_00 3:19

So how do you decide when you're gonna go to the next place? People always ask me that question. They're like, okay, how long do you stay at a place? When do you go to the next place? Do you have some sort of strategy for that? Or do you just kind of go where the wind takes you and when you decide to change locations? Because you're in Australia right now, but it sounds like you get ready to go somewhere else.

SPEAKER_01 3:37

Yeah, well, you know, for me personally, I've lived in Australia for more than 20 years now. I lived in Asia before all that, and then, you know, lived in New Zealand. So I've been in this part of the world for a really long time. So I've been out to Fiji. I'd love to see more of the South Pacific. There's a whole bunch of islands that are just further out past Fiji. And because I've worked a lot with international students voluntarily. So a lot of international students come here. We actually do get a lot of Americans that come to my hometown because we're near the Great Barrier Reef. So a lot of them come for the marine life. So a lot of them are here for that, especially Latin American students as well. But I think for me, it's just because I've, you know, spent a lot of time on this side of the world. So I hadn't seen a lot of the other side of the world, even though I've traveled there, I've been there, but I'd love to see more of Europe. I haven't even been to Canada yet. You know, I lived in the States, lived in Mexico, but I haven't been to like in between. I think for me personally, it's just things like that. And I haven't been out to the Caribbean. So, you know, especially with what we do now in business. I'm a fashion designer. We upcycle a lot of items. If you don't like your shirt, I can take it, sew it, change it, make it something different. But we had in the last maybe three years gotten a lot of opportunities to do things in New York and London. We've done New York Fashion Week twice. We've basically taken the business to another level where we've decided to include working with domestic violence victims. I'm actually studying a graduate certificate in domestic violence responses. And that's also a personal thing. So when I've lived and traveled in other places, you know, I've had certain incidents that have like happened to me. So I've sort of been part of a co-authored book called Me Too, but never again. Eventually I'll write a book just about the stuff that I've been through. But yeah, no, so it was just really basically telling the story about things like sexual assault, rape, and there's like a whole lot of other stuff that's in this book chapter that I've written and had happened while I was traveling.

SPEAKER_00 5:37

I hope you'll send me the link to that so we can share it with the audience. There was so much there. It's like I want to talk about all of it. You know, you sound like a lot of therapists, actually. We usually specialize sort of in things that have happened to us or that we have a lot of personal experience with. So that that makes a lot of sense that even with your fashion design, you've found a way to kind of filter that into the domestic violence piece or sexual assault piece. That's really interesting. How does that work? How have you incorporated that into what you do with the fashion?

SPEAKER_01 6:03

Well, it started out as a problem, you know. So in the fashion industry, no matter where you go in the world, Australia, Melbourne, London, or New York, everyone has the same issue. And it's amazing to me how nothing's been done. So it started off with a lot of models. So I actually model as well. And they were talking about things like sexual assault, sexual harassment. It just became a problem, you know, and because I joined a lot of Facebook groups in different parts of the country. And, you know, the fashion industry is supposed to be a fun industry, but it's not legalized. It's not like a lot of other industries where you can get help. And I think it's the people who do the wrong thing make it not fun for people who want to have fun and do the right thing because it is a good industry. You get to dress up, this, that, and the other. But a lot of the models are all volunteers. So depending on where you are, and you know, even going to the States, it was a big change for me because I I actually had no experience in fashion. I did go to school full fashion maybe like 10, 15 years ago, but I hated it. I didn't like the people. I was like, oh, it's not for me. And then now I'm back doing this, which is really random, actually. It happened during COVID. And so, you know, some of my friends I knew ended up in a domestic violence situation. So they studied in Australia. And then when COVID kicked in, a lot of people had to leave, you know, and people weren't coming to a show because, you know, everything's online. What's the point? And so one of these people, she went back to her home country. She finished and she ended up in the situation. And so she actually saw what we were doing, because it was really sort of a quick thinking, I guess, because I said, I don't know anything about New York Fashion Week. I know what it is and how it works. But, you know, I spent a lot of time researching what was out there and how to make it different. Because I said, Oh, we're coming from Australia, we need to make this different and still stand out. And I didn't have any money, you know, a lot of the fashion people that are in the industry have been in the industry maybe 10, 15 years. So they've got like a studio, they've got like a whole showroom where you just pick a whole bunch of clothes and go out and showcase. But we didn't have any of that. So that's where the recycling, upcycling came in. We just took it from people who, you know, didn't want their clothes. They just sprinkle it in their clothes, closets and stuff. So we took it from that. And that was actually from another friend who was originally from Chile. So she had said to me, Oh, this is what I used to do back home. I just used to take used clothes and make scrunchies in bags. So we sort of looked at it that way and tried to do it. And then when we I did more research, I said, Oh, why don't we focus on some of the issues in the industry? And we had to go a little bit gently about it because obviously in the States it's a little different. In Australia, we're a little more free in terms of what we can say and do. And I know obviously social media hypes things up with gun violence, but in Australia and the UK, we don't have gun violence. So, you know, that was another thing. And I'm one of those people where I do like to rock the boat a little bit. So if I was gonna do it, I was like, oh, we'll wait and see what it's like out there and who we can talk to. And you know, it was really just about talking to different models and different people, and this was becoming such a common problem. So the aim is to actually start tackling that because we weren't too sure how we were gonna do it in the States, but we built up a network where people have realized there's a common ground and something to actually talk about.

SPEAKER_00 9:41

So oh, that's so interesting. So you upcycle and change the clothes, and then your designs got into Fashion Week. Is that how that happened? And then somehow it's around domestic violence or like domestic violence awareness. Is that the whole idea of it?

SPEAKER_01 9:56

Yeah, so we basically, I don't know, it was just random. I sort of just typed in what I wanted to do with the brand, how I wanted to do it. No idea if I'd get in. So it turns out there was 4,000 applicants. And I mean, we look at the population of 8 million people, you know, Australians, not even close to 8 million people, even though people be like, oh, you're a big country. I'm like, yeah, I mean, from West Australia to Eastern Australia by car, it's an early three-week drive. So, you know, we're a big country, but everybody lives around the coastline, they don't live inland. And so when we decided to do all this, it was like, how can we make it different but still relevant to the industry? And so that's how we sort of, after just talking, we sort of went with it. And then a lot of the people that we include weren't models themselves. We had people just from the community, especially mothers, they get stigmatized in the industry because their bodies change and all this sort of stuff, whereas people had that particular idea model that was skinny, you know, whereas now it's sort of evolved. You have people like Ashley Graham, who's like a Kirby model, you know, all that sort of stuff. So we included that, and then we noticed how we could bring people together instead of putting a criteria because the fashion industry has a criteria, height, weight, look, whatever it is. But we just and I said to me, and I said for me personally, I said, oh, it'll just take me forever. Like I don't want to, you know, I don't want to put a criteria. I can't be bothered. So I didn't bother. But we found common ground between a lot of the people. And the a lot of these people have never met each other, but they found that, especially with our first group, they all they're all still in contact and they all talk about it, they share posts. But the common ground was people couldn't relate whether they were single parents, whether they've been through domestic violence, whether they've lost a child. We've got people who are cancer survivors. That guy in particular is an actor, but he's one of our biggest results. He never walked at all for runway or stuff, but he's now walking for that particular production that we started with. He's there every season. So you'll see he's there. He's been on billboards in LA, billboards in New York. And then even we had a family fly from Canada. The husband was very introverted. And then for some reason, well, I don't know, I don't even know what happened. Because I'm I'm busy doing X, Y, B, and Z, you know, because everyone's doing their own kind of thing. But them and his their two sons flew in to watch this. The kid, they're like, you know, eight or ten at the time. But the husband ended up being extroverted, and the wife thought this was great. So she loved it because all of a sudden he wants to do this. She can't keep up with him now. She's like, oh, I don't know. He wants to do this, he wants to do that. I mean, it's great, but I'm like, what's happening? I don't know. So it's things like that, and especially with our domestic violence victims, we have a collection and we allow the models to choose what they want to wear. And in fashion it's fit, it's not like that. So, you know, when I meet them at casting or whatever, I just be like, Yeah, but if you've got accessories, whatever, you know, and sometimes they I think they have a hard time with me because they're sort of like, oh yeah, she just lets us do whatever, you know. So they're all sort of looking at each other because a lot of the time they're told wear this, wear that, wear this. They don't have that freedom of choice.

SPEAKER_00 13:24

Yeah, they're so controlled a lot of times. Oh my goodness. I love that so much. And it sounds like this this is an online business and the industry just brings you to different places in the world and you're able to take your gift and share it and also help people with it. It's amazing to me. It really is.

SPEAKER_01 13:41

Yeah, definitely. I said, if I was gonna do something, we're still working on stuff financially as a business, but I said if I was gonna do anything, it had to be big and it had to be overseas. And even in my mind, I'm I'm just like, oh yeah, it's nothing, but then I know a lot of other friends that are like, do you realize what you've done? Like in the last couple of years, like no one actually can go out there and just do this. Like, you just go out there and do what you do. And half the time I'm not even thinking. I've always just been one of those people I said, you know, if there's a problem, let's try to fix it. Why is this happening? Why is this going on? So I've always just sort of been like that. And because I've lived everywhere, we've had to adapt really quickly and really fast. So it was just that sort of thing. And then with the travel experience, I think that's sort of what connects me to other people because I lived in a time where we didn't have technology. So now, even though we do have technology and it's been great, you know, it's brought people like you and I together, but I also feel it's sort of missed out on that connection with people because back in the day, you had to make the effort, even if you didn't speak the same language. We didn't have translating apps, you had to make an effort with someone and actually try to communicate. And we've lived in places where people don't speak a lot of English. We lived in the middle of China. No one spoke in English, they had never seen people like us before. So it was kind of funny because we, my dad is actually Caucasian and my mom is Asian. So we'd all walk down the street and you know, his work took us up there doing some highway thing. I'm not, I can't even remember exactly. But they they would look at us and we would look at them, you know, we'd just sort of look at each other in the street, just looking like, oh, you're so different. Because in China, where they were, we were closer to Mongolia. They had like rosy cheeks and you know, they were very round sort of faces. And so we're like, oh, okay. And they've never seen, you know, I'm dark, so they've never seen someone like me. So we sort of just look at each other. Whereas now some people they don't understand that they're like, oh, people look at us, they've never seen us. And it's like, yeah, because a lot of the demographic where they live, there's no one else like you out there. So that's why they look at you. It's not to say that they're just staring or stalking at you. They've never seen anyone like you. That's why they look at you, you know, and I think people miss out on that interpretation because they don't really understand because now they're relying on technology or a phone and you miss that dynamic with the person. So that's where my connection comes in for traveling.

SPEAKER_00 16:17

Yeah, I mean, it it's still difficult to to go to a brand new country you've never been to before, but you're right. I mean, technology makes it so much easier, but I totally agree with that. It's easy just to put the app and not have to like try to communicate pointing and like be like connected to people. It's a lot different.

SPEAKER_01 16:33

That's such a good point. Yeah, and don't get me wrong, even now, like you know, people are like, oh, how do you go to another country? Sometimes I just I don't know, I just go. And trust me, I'm scared. Like, I hadn't been back to the States in almost 30 years. So when I flew out to New York for the first time, I didn't know what to expect. I was like, oh my God, the buildings are so big, just massive. And I I mean I've lived in places that they've got high-rise buildings, but it's been such a long time that I lived in a city that just had massive buildings. And I mean, New York is just double that. And I think even the funniest thing, one of the girls, because she's from Ghana, and I said to everybody, meet us on 34th Street. So her and I on the phone going, I'm on 34th Street. She's like, Well, I'm on 34th Street. I'm like, Where? On 34th Street.

SPEAKER_00 17:24

It's a pretty long street.

SPEAKER_01 17:26

Yeah. And she's like, I'm on 34th Street. I said, I know that, but what's in front of you? Because I don't know where you are on 34th Street. It's like a hundred blocks here. But we found each other anyway. But it was just like, yeah, no, you've never seen anything like it if you haven't been to New York. And that sort of threw me off. I was scared and I didn't know how to react at New York Fashion Week, and everybody had already been used to it. Because they you guys have got seasons, I think it's February and September, whereas things like Melbourne Fashion Week, Sydney Fashion Week, I believe, from memory, I believe it's only once a year. And because Australia's so big, not everybody travels to all the states. So I've been to nearly all the states. I think I'm down on two states that I haven't been to. And a lot of people actually don't get to go to the other side of the country because between by plane from west to east and vice versa, it's nearly eight, seven-hour flight. And that's a long, that's a long cry.

SPEAKER_00 18:28

It's incredible.

SPEAKER_01 18:28

And it's expensive, yeah. But it's cheaper to fly overseas. So from my hometown to here, as a return, it's nearly four or five hundred dollars. I can go to Fiji for that price as a return. Yeah. So, you know, a lot of people they don't travel with it. It's cheaper to go overseas. Right. Oh, that's interesting.

SPEAKER_00 18:49

Very interesting. So just shifting gears a little bit, you're also traveling with uh disability, which I think is super interesting. We talk about that sometimes. You've got like 50% hearing loss, and you were mentioning before we hit record that was really difficult for you because you weren't born that way, but it happened to you, would you say, and you like when you were 25? I would love to if you want to share it, like how you've navigated that with the fundraising and the healthcare system and all of that. Because, you know, a lot of us are America therapists that listen to this podcast, but a lot of people are wanting to move to other countries and they're always asking about like the healthcare and what happens if something like that happens to you and you're in another country. So I'd love to hear a little bit about that if you're open to talking about it.

SPEAKER_01 19:30

Yeah, definitely. And I think that's the great thing that you've brought up because I know obviously now there's been a lot of changes with government over there. So everybody's like, I want to move, I want to move. And one of my girlfriends, she hasn't set foot outside the station. Like, I'm just gonna move here. I said, Garling, you can't just pick up and just go. You need to think about things like healthcare. You need to think of things about wages, where you're gonna work, where you're gonna live. You know, you need a working visa, you can't just get up and go. You actually have to go through a process to even be accepted. And I said to her, why don't you and your family just travel first? Get some passports, just travel, see if you like it. Because I've got a lot of friends in the US who are Australian, and one of the guys, and his name's Josh, he's called America Josh, but he's basically like uh, I guess in format, whatever you call it, but like supports expats that moved to the States. And there was one guy he was talking about wanted to move to the US. He had always wanted to live in New York, it was his dream. But he got there and he didn't like it. Yes, such a good point. Yeah, and he already packed up, or I don't know exactly the whole story, but sometimes people just, you know, they leave everything behind, they sell their house, whatever. He's always talking about, don't just sell your house. And even, you know, we've got a group, Facebook group, Aussies in London, where, you know, the good thing about social media is that you can just put it in a safe group and just write something, whether you write anonymous, you know, and everybody thinks of the same thing. I think one girl in the Aussies in London said, Oh, I'm thinking of selling my place. We're like, no, no, no, no, don't even do that because now housing has become an issue. It doesn't matter where you go in the world, housing's become expensive, electricity, whatever the case may be. So we said, why don't you just rent your house and then see if you like it, you know, because then you can move back.

SPEAKER_00 21:18

That's such great advice.

SPEAKER_01 21:19

And that was some of the struggle. Oh my God. Yeah, whereas for me personally, I I'm working on getting my UK passport. My dad's originally from the UK. So for me, it was easy just to live in London and then fly to New York and vice versa, because from Australia, it's a two-day flight. Doesn't matter where you travel from, anywhere in the world, it's still a two day flight. It doesn't matter if people be like, oh, we've created a nonstop flight. It's still a long flight. It doesn't matter. You still have to stop somewhere to get off. And so, you know, when I became hearing impaired, I was living in New Zealand. So before I did fashion, I used to work in hospitality, worked in events, did concerts, V8 supercars, the whole nine yards type thing. And so basically I don't know if it's because I worked in noisy environments or my mom reckon it's because I used to listen to music. I love music. I grew up with music and you know my dad used to play things like Aretha Franklin, Stevie Wonder, you know, all that sort of stuff. And we're just brought up on so many different types of music. And so I don't know if that was the cause. But when I lived in New Zealand, there was an earthquake and it was in Kaikura. So that was, was that 2015, 2016? So it was in Christchurch, which is the South Island. But this earthquake, because New Zealand's actually really small, you could probably drive it in 24 hours. And that's how tiny it is. But the earthquake had come up to the North Island. And because they've got tectonic plates, you can just you can feel the shift but it was I think 6.5 it was it was huge because I felt it and I never felt anything like that. And I've lived everywhere, you know so my first earthquake experience, I'm like, what's that? What's that you know? And I was staying with a host family and the dad, he was like, oh quick, quick, come on, we're gonna stand here. Because earthquakes it's it's it's so different to like a fire, a flood, because with the earthquake when you have a drill, they actually make you practice and you actually have to hold on to something. Now most of the time people think oh you've got to get out of the building. Actually no it's actually you hold on to something in the building and that sounds crazy, right? Because the natural instinct as a human is just to get out. And so you know that was quite a thing for me but my ears kept ringing. I don't know. They just kept ringing and ringing and I'm like what is that noise? So I went to an audiologist there and she said oh you've lost 50% and it was a shock for her because she had never seen anybody like that because a lot of the time people who lose hearing people from birth or you know elderly. So it's mainly focused at children and elderly people. And it was a struggle because when I came back to Australia some people said it started to affect my speech. And I'm still learning a lot about how hearing impairments work. But basically there's something in the ear that connects to the brain and it's all connected that it just affects you. And I didn't realize it because they're like oh you might need to get a speech therapist and I'm like speech therapist so it just took a whole toll on my life because I was only 25 and I couldn't get hearing aid. There wasn't funding at the time so we had to raise $3000 to get it. And so we did that. So the first set of hearing aids I had it had a oh just show you this one. So it's kind of like this but there was like a battery and you just open it up and then there's a you just change the battery every how many days. So it would tell you it would beep and it'll be like battery loan so you change it. But the packet was only maybe say six batteries in a packet and it was like $10. So it was it wasn't cheap. But now these ones these are rechargeable so technology changed a lot. With this one there was a company here because my dad has hearing aids but he's in his like eight nearly 80 now that he got some and so he said this company actually can help you. So they funded we've got a good government system here. So they basically funded a certain amount and then you just pay the rest off. So that's how we end up getting these hearing aids and everything. But here in Australia so like for example with the floods I know not floods that was that the fires they had in LA so I don't know how that works in the States but in Australia if you've been impacted by a natural disaster so the government has a list of areas of where people live etc who's been affected so they'll know and there's a system and so people can actually regard this if you don't have insurance or not you can get funding you can get support. Even if you don't want to work you can get support from our government they'll help you look for a job and then they'll pay you every couple of weeks even if you're studying they'll, you know, so our government every even though we're very high taxed and a lot of people will tell you this if they've lived out here we're very high taxed but a lot of that tax goes back into the healthcare system, education so all that goes back in. And I know it's a little different in the states I've been speaking to every time I travel I sort of speak to people about like how life is in in the States or wherever they're living and so they tell me some stories. But it's pretty good no matter what every government has its issues don't get me wrong. That's for sure I was originally born in the Philippines. So I've seen that part of the world and when you've lived in that part of the world you sort of understand how things are and you know so we're we're pretty lucky out here. So yeah. Amazing.

SPEAKER_00 27:03

Well thank you so much for just sharing with us your story of such an interesting life and I if if the listeners wanted to find out more about your fashion or get in touch with you for any reason how would they find you or how would they connect with you?

SPEAKER_01 27:16

So I've got what's that thing called Instagram I'll I'm on LinkedIn I'm on Facebook. We are getting a website sorted for the business. So yeah it'll be sort of up there and then I do a lot of writing I was part of a co-authored book called Me Too but never again which speaks of sexual abuse and some of my experiences especially like while traveling but I should actually write a book about those experiences.

SPEAKER_00 27:41

And how you you know got help and and you know I wish we had more time because I'd love to get into that just how you got help and the legal system in other countries like I'm just really curious about that topic too. But yeah thank you so much for sharing so they can look up your book and what is your the name of your fashion line or your Instagram if they wanted to go look you up.

SPEAKER_01 28:00

So it's called beautifully diverse fashion. So we just wanted to say that beauty comes in all different shapes and sizes and it's really based off you know my travel experience to say that lived here and there and that's what beauty actually is it's very different to so many different parts of the world. But then people can just look me up on Francis Helena or Google. I think even if you type in Google and type in my name it'll come up somewhere.

SPEAKER_00 28:25

So love that oh my gosh thank you so much for taking the time I'm sure your story is going to inspire and help people listening. It's just super interesting and I love like your bravery and adventurous spirit where you just pick up and you go and you just make things happen. It's it's it's amazing especially to share your journey and experiences you've already been through thank you so much for listening to the Traveling Therapist Podcast. For show notes, links and downloads head over toTravelingtherapist.com where you'll be able to learn more about my journey, the courses I've created for you and other exciting resources to make your dreams become a reality. If you've enjoyed this episode please share with your traveling therapist friends, subscribe to the podcast and if you love this episode please leave a review